This is the transcript for the video Juris Doctor and Legal Studies

So this slide that you’re seeing now is really what I would call the summary of

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why study the JD or Legal Studies here at UTS and it’s

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very much about what sets us apart from other law schools. I’m not

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going to suggest that we are a better law school than any other law school but

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what’s different about us, and some of that you may have

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already found out with your research about the JD,

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about the Legal Studies or indeed about the Law Faculty, or as I’ve said if

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you are an alum of of UTS or you have friends or

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family that have studied here you will you will know about

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really what it is that’s different about UTS.

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As you can see from the points on the slide

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we have worked very hard and we’ve been acknowledged by being the number one

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young university in australia now for four years in a row and that’s something

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that we are extremely proud of. What that means for you as students is

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that we have, as a young university, the

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ability to be very much cutting edge. Now as you probably know a

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law degree is an established traditional course but it does enable us to have

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some flexibility about the way that we deliver

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the JD and the Legal Studies and it also gives us

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that ability to be a little bit creative about the electives and the programs

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that we offer in sync with the JD. So

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you’re very well placed I think at a young university to

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undertake a course that is relatively young

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in Australia. UTS was the first New South Wales university to introduce the

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JD over 10 years ago and we were the second

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university in Australia, Melbourne University being the first.

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So to australia the JD is still relatively young and I think it fits well with the

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fact that we are a young and vibrant and really

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a cutting edge law school.

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One of the things the advantages of undertaking a JD

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here at UTS is that we have a really strong mix of academics and

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practitioners that teach into our juris doctor and

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I think that’s one of the the real pleasures of working with colleagues so

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that we have our academics here in the Law School who

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teach and who research. In terms of our courses

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we then also have practitioners. Now we’re well placed

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where we are located down here at Central

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for many of the practitioners that are working up in the

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CBD to travel down and to teach in our night classes

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or to take our block subjects. Many of our

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casual academics are practitioners that have been

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graduates of the law school so they also know very much about

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our approach and our philosophy about legal education here at UTS.

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And just to give you one example of that mix or that blend of academic and

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practitioner one of our subjects that we’re

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delivering now and all our teaching at the moment is online

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for autumn and we’ll continue to be online in spring but one example I’d

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like to share with you is our subject, it’s a compulsory subject called

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Civil Practice and in Civil Practice we have two of our

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permanent academics teaching that program one is a subject

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coordinator one of those academics is a practitioner, has her own

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practice and the other three teachers in that

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team are all current practitioners so again you’re bringing together that that

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scholarship of academia as well as that practice based

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education. I think one of the advantages of starting at UTS

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is our flexibility. Here at UTS we don’t have definitions for full-time students

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or for part-time students we allow students to design their own

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out of study that they of course we have a progression and particularly for a

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regulated course such as the JD you need to do a

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number of core subjects that Bronwyn will speak about

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later on but in terms of when and how you study those

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is is flexible and we are very lucky also to now have and we have for

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several years had a summer offering and summer is the time that we

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we offer primarily our electives we find that summer

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many students and teachers really enjoy a little bit more of a relaxed

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session and it’s a good time for students to undertake electives so

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areas of interest across the three sessions of

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we offer our electives some of which are offered

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online but as I said at the moment we’re all online and some of which are offered

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in block mode so students come in for a couple of

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days to really have that focused concentrated learning

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around a particular area of an elective. All our subjects though in usual

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times not in the Covid 19 time at the moment but in our usual sessions are

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delivered in blended mode so there’s a face to face

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component as well as the online component. Another strength I think here

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about the law faculty and again something that we have had in place

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for for many years is the ability to undertake practical legal training and

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Bronwyn will speak more about that as well as I said Bronwyn’s a program head

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for PLT but as you probably know from your research

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to be a legal practitioner in new south wales you need to have your academic

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qualification which is a juris doctor and you need to

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have a practical qualification which is our practical legal training program.

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You then are able to apply for admission as a

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legal practitioner to the supreme court so we offer both

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the JD and the PLT here at UTS and as I said

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for many years we have had practical legal

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training as part of our offerings both a face-to-face component and an

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online component.

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If you undertake the JD as a

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stand-alone course and then you move on to do

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the graduate certificate in professional legal practice which is our practical

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legal training course you are entitled to a 10% alumni savings

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and to any alumni participants that are here this evening that have

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undertaken another degree at UTS you are also entitled

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for the JD or the legal studies to get a 10%

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savings as an alumni. The final point on this slide that i’d like to stress about

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what’s different about studying with us is that we are very much around what we

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call as teachers authentic assessment and that goes back to one of my early

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points around the philosophy and the practice of uts

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being around a very professional based practice based

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university so that the assessment tasks the

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activities that you’re doing as students with your

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uh with your colleagues in class with your tutors

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is very much about what you would be doing in practice,

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thinking about being in practice as a lawyer either a solicitor or a barrister

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but also taking a law degree into other areas so

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it will examples of what we would call authentic assessment might be writing a

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submission it might be putting a policy together

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it might be working in a collaborative space to produce a presentation

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around the law. So we we see the value of making what we’re teaching

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to be very real world. And indeed that’s

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the feedback that we see from the profession in a broad

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profession definition that our graduates are, to put

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it very simply, ready to hit the ground running when they go into the workforce.

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Thanks very much Maxine. So Maxine has already referred to the

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fact that to become a lawyer in new south wales or

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really any state in australia you need to

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not only have your law degree, and that can be the

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undergraduate LLB or the postgraduate juris doctor so you need to have

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that degree but before you can be admitted you have to undertake

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a course of practical legal training. And again as Maxine mentioned we’re

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very lucky at UTS that we offer the course of practical legal training

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that you need to do prior to admission. Once you get

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to that stage of completing your practical legal training you have to

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apply for admission to the supreme court of

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new south wales and you get admitted as a lawyer into the supreme court of

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new south wales. Once you get to that stage

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you then make a decision as to whether or not you want to

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practice as a solicitor or as a barrister

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if you want to be a solicitor you don’t have to do

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any further training at that point you apply for a practicing certificate

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from the new south wales law society. That practicing certificate that you get

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is what is referred to as a restricted practicing certificate

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you have to undertake two years of supervised

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legal practice so that means you have to have a supervisor

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who is keeping an eye on what you are doing

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and is supervising your work. If you decided that you

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then wanted to have an unrestricted practicing certificate

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you could apply for that unrestricted practicing certificate and you would

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have to undergo a another course of practice

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management which is a much shorter course that you have to

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undertake to get that unrestricted practicing certificate.

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If you’ve decided that you would prefer to be a barrister

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once you’ve been admitted to the supreme court there are a few

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extra steps as you can see on this slide and what happens is that you have to

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undertake the bar exams and it might seem a bit

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back to front because to get to the bar

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you have to do the exams and pass the exams

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before you’re qualified to undertake the bar practice course.

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So you pass the exams and oh once again UTS has the bar

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preparation course so we can help you with that as well.

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So keep that in the back of your mind once you’ve passed those exams

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you then have to read with a tutor for 12 months and

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that tutor has to have at least seven years experience before they’re

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qualified to take you on under their

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tutelage for that 12 months. The majority of people would go into

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practice as a solicitor rather than go directly

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to the bar the reason for that is most

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practitioners believe that they need to do a couple of years

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working in an office, working as a solicitor and building up some networks

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and contacts of people who hopefully are going to

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brief you when you go to the bar. So as you’re just about to

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commence hopefully on the path of a JD, making that decision as

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to whether you’re going to go as a solicitor or a

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barrister is much further down the track. But while

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i’m concentrating just at the minute on becoming a legal

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practitioner or a lawyer a solicitor or barrister

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the jd is an excellent qualification even if you don’t intend to practice as

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a lawyer at any time. Some people actually start

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in the course not intending to practice as a lawyer

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but do change their mind along the way and then we have other people

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who think that yes i do want to be a lawyer and they change their mind along

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the way and decide that they’re going to use

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their law degree in some other way. So for example many

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people in business will have a law degree

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and find it very useful to have that legal knowledge

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while they’re making judgments about what directions to take a company in.

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OK so as Maxine mentioned the juris doctor

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is a fairly new concept in australia, we’ve been offering it for more than

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10 years. The profession i think now is much more

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aware of what it means for someone to have

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a juris doctor. It’s certainly the degree, if you were studying law in the united

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states of america, in most states

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you would be undertaking a postgraduate JD.

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And so that is where the idea of the JD comes from

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so it is an internationally recognized graduate entry qualification

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and if you’ve got a degree of any kind it doesn’t matter what degree that is

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you might have a business degree your communications

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degree you might have a science degree it could

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be a music degree it doesn’t matter what your first degree is if you’ve got

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a degree then you might be eligible to

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undertake the juris doctor. So what you have to do is make the

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application and your application will be considered

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and we’ll talk a little bit more about that shortly.

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We offer the straight jd which is the three-year

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course of studying law and if you do a law degree anywhere in

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australia there are a certain number of core law

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subjects that you will be required to complete – doesn’t matter

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whether you’re doing your degree in western australia, new south wales

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anywhere – we all have to meet what are referred to

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as the Priestly 11, the core subjects that everybody has to do. Each law school

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packages up those subjects in different ways so in a lot of cases

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you’d be able to tick one off and say okay well that’s that

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subject that they offer at UTS but here they call it

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something else, so you have to cover a lot of subjects that

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are core subjects and law schools don’t get any

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say in whether or not you have to do it

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because our law degrees have been accredited by the legal profession

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admission board for us it’s the new south wales legal

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profession admission board and that’s a requirement of our

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accreditation is that we cover those subjects and

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require all of our students to complete those subjects.

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So we offer the juris doctor but in addition to the

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juris doctor we do offer a number of combined degrees

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so we do offer the juris doctor which is combined with the graduate

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certificate in professional legal practice so this is the

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practical legal training that you need

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to be able to be admitted to practice. And by working very creatively with

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the progression of subjects and making use of the summer session

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it’s possible to complete the juris doctor

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combined with the graduate certificate in professional

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legal practice in three years. It’s certainly

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you’re very busy during that time and that’s if you do it on a full-time

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basis but it is possible to complete that double qualification

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within the three years. We also offer a combined juris doctor with the

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master of business administration, the JD MBA, and so you would graduate with the

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juris doctor and an MBA – this is a four-year degree

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and if you are intending to go into business

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this might be the degree that you would be most

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interested in. For those of you who are particularly

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interested in pursuing studies in intellectual property then i could

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recommend the combined juris doctor master of intellectual property and

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if you wanted to do a shorter version but still

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involving intellectual property study you could

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undertake the juris doctor combined with the graduate certificate

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in trademark law and practice. So lots of different offerings there

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if you are determining on doing the juris doctor then you’ve got some

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further decisions to make as to whether or not you would do the straight jd

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or go into one of the combined degrees. One of the benefits of that juris doctor

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graduate certificate in professional legal practice

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doing that as a combined degree is that you can complete

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the double degree within the two years and there’s no requirement for you to

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apply to the new south wales legal profession

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admission board to commence your practical legal

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training studies prior to the completion of the

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three-year juris doctor. So that is certainly a bonus.

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In addition to the juris doctor we do

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have the master of legal studies which takes

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two years if you’re studying on a full-time

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basis or you can do it over a four year period. You can’t really do it on

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a faster basis than that but if you wanted to take a little

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bit longer or if your life is taking up a bit more

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time and is reducing the amount of time that

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you have available to undertake your studies you

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can move between full-time and part-time it’s really up to you we can be very

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flexible about how you undertake the

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progression in the course. In addition to the master

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of legal studies we do offer the graduate diploma in

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legal studies so this means that you would be studying

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one year full-time or two years on a part-time basis.

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We also have the graduate certificate in legal studies which

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takes half a year or one year on a full-time on a part-time basis.

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So the benefit of these courses is that it does give you a

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taste of what studying law is all about.

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So if you’re not feeling ready to commit yourself

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to undertaking a JD which will be three years of study and quite a lot of

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reading but very enjoyable and interesting

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reading then you might want to consider

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starting off with a master of legal studies or

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the graduate diploma or graduate certificate in legal studies.

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Now none of these legal studies programs of themselves will allow

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you to apply for admission to practice, you have to complete either the JD or

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the LLB to get that qualification, the law qualification that

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you need before you can apply for practice.

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So you can look at these degrees, the master of legal studies

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or the shorter diploma or certificate either as a pathway

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to the JD or you can think “well i know i don’t want to become a lawyer i

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think i just need some legal knowledge that will assist me

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in what i’m already doing” so you can use these courses to enhance

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your current career. So there are a couple of other

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courses to think about.

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This slide is just showing how these courses can be pathways

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to the JD, you would be eligible if you do undertake the masters or the

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graduate diploma in legal studies you would be eligible for an internal

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course transfer into the juris doctor following the

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successful completion of at least three core subjects in your legal

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studies candidature. So that would be it’s good for you to

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have a bit of a test to see how you’re finding law study.

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Is it what you thought it was going to be like? Are you

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enjoying it? Is this for you? And then if you think

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“i’d like to continue with this” then you’d be eligible for an internal

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course transfer, subject of course to you completing

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those three core law subjects in your legal studies

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candidature. When we look at the graduate certificate

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in legal studies students once again must successfully complete the

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three-subject graduate certificate and apply for the juris doctor degree.

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The subjects that you would be studying in that first semester

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are core law subjects so these subjects are the ones that you

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must complete and this will give you a very good idea

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about how much time studying law will actually take and for you to make

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an assessment of the next few years of your life.

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If you don’t meet the eligibility criteria for the jd

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an automatic offer for the graduate certificate or the graduate diploma in

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legal studies may be made even if you haven’t applied

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for these courses. So if you do put in an application for the jd

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and you just don’t quite meet the criteria that is supplied

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to be eligible to undertake the jd then you might get an offer into either the

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masters or the graduate diploma in legal studies.

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So our academics here are really driven in their research by a

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desire to achieve impact and they have

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a motivation to engage with the community

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so they’re really focusing on what is happening

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in the world and how we can improve

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the situation of many groups within our world.

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Of course we also have people who study legal history so

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we can learn lots from legal history about how we can proceed

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moving forward. But we do have some fabulous academics here who are

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wonderful experts and they are wonderful teachers and

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they would be the people who would be teaching you in

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many of these electives and also in your core law subjects so

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we do have a policy here within the faculty that

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all of our academics teach into core law subjects in addition to

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offering the electives in their area of research expertise. So

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there’s lots of exciting research that is going on in the

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faculty and that is informing what is being studied in the electives.

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We do have a very flexible timetable and UTS

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actually started its law degree as a part-time

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law degree and i think this has really influenced our attitude as to

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how our law faculty is run and the timetabling of our subjects. When

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the part-time law degree was offered back in the 80s that was the first time

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it was offered it enabled people who wouldn’t have been able to commit to

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a full-time law degree because of their other responsibilities

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to be able to study on a part-time basis and come along to

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evening classes. So all of our core law subjects have daytime

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and evening classes and so long as you get in early you can enroll yourself

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into the time of your choice. Obviously it’s not possible for us to be

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able to create a timetable where absolutely every class that you have

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is on at the premium time for you but most of our students find that

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there is a great deal of flexibility in our timetabling and as i mentioned

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before you can move from full-time to part-time, you

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don’t have to make any formal applications about that,

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you can fit it in with what’s going on in your life at the moment.

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With our lectures, our core law subjects if it’s in the format

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of a lecture and tutorial, when the lectures

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are given those lectures are recorded and so

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if you’re unable to get along to the lecture time

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you can listen to that lecture on your portable device and it’s also good if

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you have been able to attend a lecture if there was

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some part of the lecture that was a bit tricky

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a bit complicated you can go back and check your understanding

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and often students use those recorded lectures when they’re preparing for

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their assessments as well they go back and listen to them um for a second third

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and even more times i understand.

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Alright this slide just shows some of the

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graduate outcomes that are recorded in the

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QILT – the quality indicators for learning and teaching survey

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of recent postgraduate law students so it showed that 79

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of uts postgraduate law students were satisfied with how their degree

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improved their skill and that was seven percent above the national

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average so that’s something that we are

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very proud of. 84.3 percent of graduates were in full-time employment

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within four months of graduating so employers

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do recognize that the uts law

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graduate is very well equipped to get straight to work to hit the

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ground running in their new legal position

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and also the median salary of full-time employed graduates was 10 percent

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above the national average so they’re things to be keeping

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in mind as well.

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If someone asked me what sets us apart again from other law

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schools is really the opportunity to have a

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director of students um in the role that really serves as

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kind of the connection between the law student body

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and the faculty and i’m not just saying that because i was director of students

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as Bronwyn was as well before i was but we’ve both had that

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experience and our current director of students Stuart Lowe is one where

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we get to work very closely with students that just have

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questions, have challenges, have issues, have uncertainties around their

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study and need some information that they

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can’t find online that their teachers may not be

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aware of. So the director of students really serves

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a very broad purpose. They work very closely with our professional staff

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around orientation so when you come to

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orientation you’ll meet the director of students and

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that really does immerse you in how to begin your studies. The director

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of students also is involved in our mentoring program so we have a peer

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mentoring program for all our first year students when they’re

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partnered up with more senior students. They also

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work very closely in relation to our high achievers mentoring program,

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so really much with the student body but also

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supporting students on an individual basis. So the director of students will

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help students with their progression, they’ll help students as we’ve talked

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about going part-time or full-time, they’ll help students to know about

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things like leave of absence where students are not sure what they

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want to do with their studies and again this doesn’t just apply

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to jd students but based on our experience we’re aware that more

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things seem to happen there are more challenges

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with postgraduate students because of the other

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activities and events and obligations and responsibilities that are happening

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in their lives so to have someone that you can connect up

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with whether it be face-to-face in non-covid times whether it be online

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whether it be by email we get tremendous feedback from

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students about the the connection that they have with the director of

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students. As postgraduate students, and i’m again

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bringing myself in here, i returned to study after a break

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and i have to say my first assignment took me quite a while to work out

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what what they were asking for. So HELPS is for everybody, again it’s a service

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provided to all students across the university but for postgraduate students

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that might not have studied for a while coming to law obviously for the first

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time it really assists in getting you started

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to build up that confidence and capacity around

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legal skills that you need to undertake assessments whether they be written

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assessments whether they be your first essay your first problem whether they be

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around presentation skills about how to put

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something together to build up that capacity to be

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able to present and to be able to take that

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concern around assessments, and it does get easier obviously

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after your first assessment, but for students that really do need

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that boost and HELPS has a range of activities

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again from one-to-one consultations through to resources

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i invite you to have a look online through to doing some

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small group coaching and training.

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And the final support service that we have or resource service that we have

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again across the university is our career service.

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We’re very lucky that our career service is also here in Building 2

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and we have a very close relationship with the career service.

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They are very much front of mind about opportunities for

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law graduates. And for postgraduate law students we have a dedicated

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postgraduate careers consultant so has experience and expertise in

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knowing that this is not your first degree it’s your second

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degree, how you might want to build on that first area of study,

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how you might want to thread it through, how you

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might want to narrate what your first experience

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your first study experience was your first qualification your working life and

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your career today how do you build on that with a law

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degree? So again the career service has a lot of

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resources that are online. They work with us with the faculty

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during the year to provide some jd- only events, unfortunately the first jd-

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only event that was scheduled for march not long after

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we commenced this year, that was postponed due to covid 19 but

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they are they are focused on jd students as a separate cohort

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with separate interests and needs.

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